@ecdawg_BI everyone wanted the big one this year most likely want happen it sucks but can we move o
I expect to read and hear a litany of excuses today.
Of course, it matters when team loses its starting tailbacks and receiver corps. However, the offensive line is healthy and the skill position guys that played yesterday would be viable candidates for starting roles at most schools.
Offense did not lose yesterday. Rationalizing the loss to Missouri by recounting the number of injured offensive players does not help. Injuries happen. The culprit is on the other side of the ball.
Georgia’s defense cost it the national championship last year and has put the team behind proverbial eight-ball in 2013. The 2012 team could not stop the run with a host of NFL talent and this years defense constantly appears dazed and confused.
The core curriculum for defense has changed at Georgia. Tackling has become an elective. Junkyard 101 is not longer available. At UGA the junkyard has become a new-age recycling facility – no need for snarling, chew-your-leg-off protection.
There is one thing that would make me feel better about the future of Georgia football this morning.
I don’t want to hear any excuses.
Don’t tell me about young defense backs.
Someone please tell me that Georgia’s defense is your responsibility and you are going to fix it.
@ecdawg_BI everyone wanted the big one this year most likely want happen it sucks but can we move o
If you are looking for answers or a mid-season fix with 6 games played and 6 games left on the schedule to play, you won't find one. Georgia 2013 football is what it is. I'm not offering excuses either. The reality of the situation is that we are a 4-2 football team with a good offense that can still put up 454 yards of offense with an average o-line and 5 of probably the top 7 offensive skill position players injured at the moment, a d-line that is getting better each game puts pressure on the QB as well as starting to produce sacks from that pressure, but the play from the LB and secondary spot is so fundamentally bad that the defense cannot take advantage of that good d-line play. The reality is that Georgia has a good to great offensive skill players, a hot and cold offensive line, good d-line, but an overall bad defense.
What does this reality mean? It means that Georgia can win any and even all of the remaining 6 games left on the schedule, but in order to do so, the offense has to play a relatively mistake free game and not turn the ball over. Georgia did not do that yesterday; therefore, we lost. Yes. The defense is bad, but the offense turning the ball over 4 times also contributed to the loss. Georgia can still win the eastern division title, play in the SEC Conference Championship game, and even beat the western division champ whether that be Bama or LSU. It is even possible that Georgia could still play in the BCS National Championship game, but they would need a ton of help to do so. What does this mean going forward at the end of the year?
I know there is a lot of fire CTG and even fire CMR talk and rhetoric at the moment. Some want someone fired right now, ASAP, this week. However, firing the DC or HC mid-season with 6 games left is not got going to change what this 2013 Georgia team is. If your fire CTG now, there are not a lot of options as far as getting a DC. Georgia could promote Chris Wilson to d-line, but as good as a d-line coach as Wilson is, would he do any better than CTG? If Georgia fired CMR, that doesn't fix the defense. If anything, I think things go from bad to worse. So, is there an answer?
I don't know if Georgia and CMR will do this, but this is what should happen. CMR with the support of AD should sent down and have a talk with CTG and the defensive position coaches, and he should tell CTG and the defensive position coaches that if things do not start to get better on defense that their current contracts with Georgia will have to be re-evaluated. I would even throw this out there that the only defensive coach earning his pay is Coach Wilson. What does that mean? It means that Georgia and CMR need to consider cutting ties and their contract with CTG, and they need to go in a new direction with the defense because I don't believe that CTG is going to do anything different to make the defense better. I think CTG believes he is in the right and his approach is not flawed even though the eye test and evidence on the field would state other wise. At this point, I am of the opinion that CTG needs to be fired at the end of the season.
What about CMR? While the head coach is ultimately responsible, this fire CMR talk are fans just talking out of emotion. There are a fanatical group of fans that have wanted CMR going for about 6 years now. They are of the mindset that we can go get a better head coach who will do a better job than CMR and bring us a national championship. Yet, they fail to realize that national championships don't come easily. They fail to realize that Georgia is not Alabama, will never be Bama, nor do I want it to be Bama. If those fans want us to be Bama, then I say, you all can go become Bama fans. Dooley took 17 years to win Georgia's national championship. When you bring that up to that fanatical group of fans, they stick their fingers in their ears and go "la, la, la, la." Those fans do not want to accept the fact that CMR is probably and at the very least statistically, one of the top 10 college football head coaches in the country. If Georgia fires CMR, they better go out and hire a guy that is in the top 5.
Patience is in the answer. Let the season play out. Evaluate the situation at the end of the year, and if a coach or coaches need to be fired, that is when it is done. Then move forward.
I have heard how much work defense puts in to improve. How young they are. How we don't have the right players for the scheme. How players didn't give 100% effort to protect their draft status. Enough with the excuses Todd. 4 years I've listened to this malarkey. Stand up. Own it. Fix it. Or get out of town. Georgia deserves better.
Tackling is imo the most glaring defect on this defense optional team. Good offenses are going to make some plays.Too many times this season (and last season) good plays become momentum changers going against our team. In the 3-4, it's a requirement that the nose guard take a double team. That isn't happening, obviously. And combined with poor tackling technique, causes one to run out of ways to say the given. That the unit wasn't broken down and built back up during spring and fall practice.Games like yesterdays were lost months ago imo. Are injuries a factor? Of course. But our 3rd down woes finally came back to bite us in a big way Saturday. And that was not on the offense. Turnovers are an issue, we are making them and not causing enough.
There is no excuse for the way our defense has played this year anyone can pass 10-15 yards at any time. The injuries have hurt the offense however we were at the 5 three times and got 6 points and gave them 7 on the fumble. Just a terrible game and a bad way to end our chances for any kind of championship season. We will lose to Florida even though their offense is no too good. I had high hopes but now those are gone. Looking to 2015 when hopefully one of our talented QB'S recruits takes over and these young defenders have matured. I'm going to say this one more time. Our staff does not have the killer instinct and IMHO will never give us a NC rant over
One question that has to considered is who is evaluating talent, in particular for the defensive backfield, O-line, and LB's. Seems like we do a fantastic job of evaluating skill position talent like QB, RB, WR, TE and even D-line to some degree, but outside of that we have too many upperclass players that were at least 3-star or higher and JUCO transfers on the bench and not contributing, while true freshman are on the field paying the price. Don't get what happened to all these so called high school elite athletes that have become washouts at UGA. Interesting that you don't see the top programs fielding as many freshman as we are unless they've been hit by the injury bug like we have on offense.
Did someone not near the end of the game go to Granthams office and remove all personal effects of such? Should have! There are no excuses, none, zero. I am never for firing anyone, especially in todays economy, but the nice guy days are over, If I did not perform in my job I would be fired without question, I could not make up excuses......neither should Mr Grantham be able to....
Please don't discount the injuries. Yes our defense sucks, but those injuries have a cascade effect. It puts us in more desperate situations (which means more turnovers) , it puts our defense on the field more, and like it or not it has a mental effect on the team. Our wr's now would not be starting on other teams. Not most of em. No teams ever have to deal with losing thier top 5 skill players. The fates piss in our face again. What did we do way back when?... But back to the defense, it blows. So does our discipline. What I mean by that is we just don't do the little things right. Sadly, we almost never have under Richt. T may be time to really simplify practices.
The turnovers killed us yesterday, but the defense hasn't done anything all year to give the offense field position or cheap scores. That comes back to 3rd down defense and forcing turnovers and basically is all about playing fundamentally sound football. Frustrating to say the least ...
Defense secondary is a problem and the D is not that great however,the offensive got in the red zone 3 times with 2 field goals and a fumble and the fumble forced TD was the offensive fault plus the 2 interceptions at the end ? I think this was a TOTAL team loss offense,defense,special teams and coaching.
I was proud of the D line today, it's the second level guys that are the problem. Some if the worst I've seen at UGA. Always out of position and couldn't tackle my 8 year old daughter. They're right pathetic. Even Herrara seems to have regressed.
Im tired of the defense standing around trying to figure out what they are supposed to do and in turn line up really late, sometimes not in time. We look so confused out there. Lets go back to the flag football plays. Call a guy's number out and stick him.
Misssed tackles, poor tackling fundamentals, poor pursuit angles, 1....1 friggin' interception in 6 games.....tell me again why we fired Martinez.
I don't have what you are looking for.
It's the same college football that it has always been.
But that also pertains to the youth and inexperience.
That also pertains to turnovers.
Nothing has changed. The same Florida defense that was dominant in 2008 was young and inexperienced in 2007.
Your assessment of how the ADGM and CMR should handle the situation with CTG sounds like exactly what needs to happen..it's just business on that level and that's the way it should be all personal relationships aside. I'd say CTG has a 6-8 part job interview to carry out. His grace period has expired and it's time to get it done with urgency. I think CMR will have learned from the past DC situation and will do the right thing in a moretimely manner this time around, if necessary.
Teams have great 2nd halves of seasons sometimes.
Not an excuse, but just an observation: it has seemed that UGA has had some really bad luck with bad timing over the past 5-7 seasons. With that said...good luck tends to show up most for the highly prepared and motivated as well as those with a good reputation. Basic law of attraction.
@Bulldawg Bob2 Sounds reasonable to me. The problem is there will not be "a talk" with Grantham and he will be brought back next year. Yhats the depressing part of all of this.
@ARK Dawg I think we have good talent. It is stunning that we are not getting interceptions. I was worried about our offense in the off season because these defensive guys were making more receptions than our receivers. What happened? Are they playing too tight? Are they playing too complicated a scheme?
@RickNelson1 But imagine you are the manager and your staff is not performing. Some are and some aren't anyway. And some of that staff are in their first job, trying but not getting it. And the staff that's been around longer is dead wood. It's not easy.
@RickNelson1 as much as he has been paid, I don't think he would be living under a bridge in a cardboard box... unless he managed his finances as well as he has our defense.
@RxDawg Injuries are hard to overcome. So you are right to a point. But we recruit very well every year. Our coaches have the responsibility to still find away to win in times of adversity. That is how championships are won. We could change our offensive scheme and put a power game in and keep Mizzou off the field. Coach Grantham could change/simplify the defense to fit the younger players and as they learn add more in.........where there is a will there IS a way.
@tmdawg12 I don't want Richt fired, but ultimately HE is the one most responsible. Yeah CTG is the one to blame that the defense is not performing up to the level of the talent that is there. But he is to slow to react to getting replacements to change the results. I really admire his commitment to his faith and doing the right things right. But, I do wish he would set expectations higher and then do what it takes legal and moral to win championships. The Bible says, in paraphrase, whatever you do, do to the very best of your ability!....... Mark Richt has more ability than he is displaying........
Third down defense AND third down offense have both been dreadful and nearly unexplainable to this point.
@Deerhuntingdawg That late hit on the QB by Herrara killed us.
@tmdawg12 This to me has been the biggest issue on defense. Guys can't play on D because they are not in position or ready at the snap. Every other problem starts with this. Grantham has to do a better job of getting the call in. If that means a more basic set and the offense getting a better read on what we are doing so be it, at least our guys have a chance that way.
I don't think that was as bad an issue after this game. i did still see a lot of hand-waving and confusion after plays were over, though. too much.
No argument - I guess what I was saying is that UGA didn't have that dominant D last year that would give hope for future progress.
Normally d agree with you. But grantham is the top 2-3 paid defensive coordinator, giving us the worst defense n the conference in his third year. Me thinks a talk at the end of the season is coming.
I get it, but the boss is responsible for training his staff, and if after 6 weeks OJT (let alone prior to starting) I would need to consider my own teaching skills or is it coincidence that 8+ of my employees are incompetent of doing the job?
@dougscoffee @Deerhuntingdawg Had the refs been consistent they would have eliminated Murray's first INT and we would have kept the ball down 8 with better field position. Not an excuse as the D has to play better and no way we should ever turn it over 4 times but it was just as blatant and should have been called.
I honestly think if you combine last year's back seven with this year's d-line we'd have a pretty tough d. We were just saying mere weeks to months ago how much of a difference Chris Wilson would make...and I believe it is starting to show. Really over the past few seasons our pass d has been more of strength than run d. We had a lot more physical corner play until this season. Our inept pass d is what it is. The one point I guess I'm trying to make is that we've been strong in all aspects of our defense just at different times and as of yet not really much all at the same time. Will it all come together at some point
I wouldn't say that. This is a defense built off of playmakers at linebacker and safety. And right now, we don't have those. I do think that several playmakers may emerge as they have more pt at their positions. But history has not shown me to expect consistent production from the Mike spot.
@RickNelson1 Well said!
Difference between Bama and us? Dirty recruiting. There are several players riding thier bench that should be playing for us.
OK - I finally get what you are saying.
@ecdawg @Reddawg13 Agree again but I guess what I meant by comparing ourselves to Bama didn't have to do with just beating them or recruiting as they do. We would have beat them last year if our defense would have played better (and with senior talent). And no way Notre Dame beats us. What I meant is, no way Saban and Bama continue to play this bad on defense and special teams without making a fix.
I was not saying we can not beat them, just that it is not a good comparison. Which is better, an apple or an orange?
Remember that in spite of all their recruiting gamesmanship since Saban's arrival, we damn near beat them last year. That's the valid comparison.
No one will be fired mid-year ...or, IMHO, after the season.
You can never compare Bama to UGA usefully. The cultures are entirely different. Bama signs the legal limit of players each year and discards those it deems inferior. That difference makes any comparison of the relative success of the coaches difficult, if not impossible.
I'm not providing an excuse. If UGA athletics administrators want to go that route it's fine with me but, right now, I do not see that happening.
@dougscoffee I don't think it is Kirby. I think if you don't perform at Bama you get pushed out. Think Mark Deas, Corey Moore, Devin Bowman. But Mark Richt doesn't do that, so we go with freshmen while those other guys are on the bench. Well Corey Moore is playing a little bit this year but the results are mixed. You can bemoan the policy, but Grantham doesn't have the option to push those guys out. That's what I mean by dead wood.
@dougscoffee I want to see that my manager is doing something, looking at himself too. It's impossible to judge performance in a short time and not giving somebody time to fix it. I want to see progress, yes. Firing Grantham midyear of this season with all the newbies.....not rational.
Right you are about Jenkins & Floyd I guess I was just thinking cuz sometimes they might get their hand in the dirt..but really not even so much for Floyd. We would've also had Atkins...anyone know how he's doing?
Jordan Jenkins and Floyd are linebackers and don't work with coach wilson on the DL. Chris Mayes is 22 years old and class of 2011 (3rd year out of high school). You're right on Taylor and Josh Dawson would be the 2nd. But of all the guys rotating in, I feel pretty confident in saying that Coach Wilson is easily working with the oldest bunch (as Taylor and Dawson see significantly fewer reps than Smith, Bailey, Drew, Toby Johnson, Chris Mayes, and Mike Thornton.
That's what makes it so hard for me to definitively say that we're doing a bad job of coaching defensively. We've gone from a bunch with solid talent and experience but very poor depth to a bunch with pretty solid depth (strictly #'s speaking) but a ghastly degree of inexperience. We've had yet to have both since CTG has been here. What will our D look like in a year if you consider that we'll theoretically have both for the 1sr time in a while.
Each situation is unique and it's also tough to make an equal comparison to other teams situations.
Our recruiting on the defensive side of the ball was suffering from the hangover of the '09 & '10 seasons. We're just now seeing the new #'s and a different type of talent being broken in incomparably early in the process. I mean really, who's situation can this be compared to with mostly similar variables across the board.
Of course, this doesn't change the comparison of CTG's paycheck vs his production haha. It's just hard to give a real fair assessment for me at this point.
Coach wilson is doing a great job. but he probably has the oldest group of players on the field. are any of those contributors in their first or second seasons on the dl? in all fairness to the rest of the defense, there is a lot of youth and a lot of guys in their first years at their positions.